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Petzl GriGri 2
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Experiences
Pros
3
Cons
6
Specs
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Con
Tuber-style belay technique doesn't work well
Impossible >9.8mm and disappointing below.
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Pro
Active assisted braking
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Con
No double rope rappel
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Auto-locks even if brake line is not held
In case belayer is disabled, etc.
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Con
Locking cam can be defeated if the grigri is pushed against a bolt/rock/obstruction
Impossible to hold large falls even with correct technique if this occurs, as there is little to no friction when the cam is open.
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Pro
Guide mode / Belay off anchor
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Con
Lowering is finicky
The lowering handle quickly transitions from "not fast enough" to "too fast", leading to using brake hand friction to slow the descent, which can cause a rope burn and involuntary release of the brake.
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Rope can get caught behind the rotating pinch groove after catching a fall
Results in the rope being stuck.
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False sense of security in some situations
The easiest belay device to use incorrectly. People who don’t know what they are doing use these without holding brake end of rope all the time because they falsely believe it is “auto-locking”. Some tension in the rope through the device is actually required to ensure it locks- this means never letting go of the brake strand.
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Specs
Weight:
170 g (6.0 oz)
Material:
Stainless steel cam and friction plate
Rope diameter:
8.9 - 11 mm
Assisted braking:
Active
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Edelrid Mega Jul
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7
Experiences
Pros
4
Cons
2
Specs
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Pro
Auto-locks even if brake end of rope is not held
In case belayer is disabled, etc.
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Con
Behavior is highly dependent on rope diameter and type
"stiff ropes feed very poorly. 9.7 and above ropes feed poorly for lead belay. Soft and supple skinny ropes don't lock as abruptly. Half ropes in the 8-8.5 range DO NOT LOCK FULLY with the proper edelrid strike biner" https://www.reddit.com/r/climbing/comments/6aoipn/nonjerky_method_for_rapping_with_mega_jul_in/dhh1vvx/
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Lightweight
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Con
Guide mode with thin ropes can flip and disable auto-blocking
Video demonstration with stories of it happening in the comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=385cP_FYNEs
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Pro
Passive assisted braking
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Three rappelling modes
Can be used in 2 orientations, for rappelling with or without brake assist, and can add a carabiner for lever action, making it similar to a GriGri.
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Specs
Weight:
65 g (2.3 oz)
Material:
Stainless steel
Rope diameter:
7.8 - 10.5 mm
Assisted braking:
Passive
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34.95
6
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Petzl GriGri+
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8
Experiences
Pros
6
Cons
1
Specs
Top
Pro
Anti-panic handle
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Top
Con
No double rope rappel
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Pro
Active assisted braking
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Auto-locks even if brake line is not held
In case belayer is disabled, etc.
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Switchable between top rope and lead mode
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Wide range of rope diameters
(8.5mm- 11mm)
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Guide mode / Belay off anchor
https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/Belaying-a-second-directly-off-a-fixed-anchor-at-the-belay-station?ProductName=GRIGRI-2
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Specs
Weight:
200 g (7.0 oz)
Material:
Stainless steel friction/wear plates
Rope diameter:
8.5 - 11 mm
Assisted braking:
Active
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149.95
7
3
Mad Rock Lifeguard
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5
Experiences
Pros
2
Cons
2
Specs
Top
Con
Lowering is more finicky than Grigri
Quickly transitions from "too slow" to "too fast".
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Pro
More compact than a Grigri2
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Con
No "lip" to grab while feeding slack quickly
While it typically feeds slack better than a Grigri, so the Grigri "fast feed" technique is not necessary, it can still sometimes get jammed. The "fast feed" Grigri technique of putting fingers under the metal lip and pressing down on the cam is not as easy to do on the Lifeguard as it is on Grigri.
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Pro
Feeds rope to leader without special technique
Feeds slack somewhat more easily than Grigri, if the brake strand is lifted up and fed into the device (like belaying with a tube device).
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Specs
Weight:
154 g (5.4 oz)
Rope diameter:
8.9 - 11mm
Assisted braking:
Active
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